Comments on: London should appoint its top cop

By: Roger Evans

Roger Evans — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:46:42 +0000

I think Ken has said this before. He also said we should scrap the MPA – a position with which I had some sympathy.

By: Martin Hoscik

Martin Hoscik — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:15:45 +0000

Apparently Ken tells the BBC tonight that he’s in favour of the Mayor hiring and firing the Met commissioner:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7663920.stm

By: Thomas the Taxi

Thomas the Taxi — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:43:57 +0000

Never mind the politicians,Londoners, the people that pay the tax, wanted Blair removed, for quite some time. But the politicians don’t listen to the people.
Blair was, what is wrong with fast tracking people into positions for a political gain.
Londoners are now worried that the next commissioner will be pick not for his/her ability or character, but for his/her ethnicity and political affiliation.
A man should be judged by the content of his character, not by the colour of his skin.
How soon we forget!

By: TawkinSenz

TawkinSenz — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:11:01 +0000

On the one hand Blair had to go, he did politicise the role and he opened his big mouth too often.
He was no longer independent and had certainly lost the confidence of the public.
I feel strongly that he did lie to the public with the Jean-Charles DeMenes affair.
However, I don’t think it’s a good sign that the mayor can oust the chief of the Met in this way. It may have worked in the favour of Londoners this time, but it sets an unwanted precident.
The best man for the job should run the Met – no more, no less. Politics and policing don’t mix and one thing Blair has taught us is that this situation can never be allowed to happen again.

By: Martin Hoscik

Martin Hoscik — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:51:19 +0000

‘That’s not exactly a beacon of democratic respect and accountability right there, is it?’

I happen to disagree, Boris is simply aserting the mandate of the London electorate in having the vital say in who polices our streets.

As Roger said, Ken would always push the envelope and I agreed with him when he did it and I’m being consistent and backing Boris now he’s done it.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:05:40 +0000

“would the Government really want to be seen to act in such a petty an undemocratic fashion”

Um, Boris is attempting to take a power he hasn’t got away from the place where the UK Parliament has decided it should reside and which provides most of the Met’s money. That’s not exactly a beacon of democratic respect and accountability right there, is it? Until the position of Commissioner is stripped of its national responsibility for anti-terror work it’s also highly irresponsible for Boris to prolong the disruption – he should at least have a candidate in mind he can work with who will also be acceptable to Jacqui Smith – if no such candidate exists even in potentia then it was damned stupid to force Blair out, wasn’t it? This isn’t the Wild West.

Further, if the suggestion in the Guardian that Boris is playing dog in the manger until a Conservative Government over a permanent appointment to a post of national and international importance has even an ounce of truth in it it’s a quite appalling state of affairs – I hope he comes out and denies it immediately and tells us how he plans to work with the Home Office to appoint a permanent candidate as soon as practicable. It’s a time for British compromise, not pointless Cheneyesque displays of ’strength’, however much ConservativeHome bleat on.

By: Roger Evans

Roger Evans — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:37:01 +0000

The legislation which created London Government was lengthy but flawed, because it left so many ambiguities. Livingstone was an expert in ‘pushing the envelope’ to gain more powers for the office of Mayor. Boris has shown that he can also push the envelope, and he’s done it cleverly because Londoners will not mourn Blair.

By: Martin Hoscik

Martin Hoscik — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:21:22 +0000

Tom: I agree that in theory she could but I wonder if she has the backbone for it and would the Government really want to be seen to act in such a petty an undemocratic fashion, just as things are looking (slightly) up for them?

Where I do disagree with you is that I believe Boris has a position of moral strength in that, unlike Jacqui Smith, he’s accountable to Londoners and to sideline him in the appointment of a new commissioner would be outrageous.

If yesterday’s actions take us even a small step closer to ending the constitutional outrage that allows a out of town MP to appoint the head of my local police force then I applaud Boris for his actions and I think anyone who cares about local democracy should put aside their personal political leanings and get behind the Mayor on this.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:53:39 +0000

The question is, having jumped, Boris actually has no more control – the Home Secretary can appoint the next Commissioner and if Boris doesn’t like it he’ll have to lump it; he can’t pull the same trick twice.

Boris needs the Commissioner more than the person who appoints the Commissioner needs Boris, which isn’t a position of strength.

Splitting the national and Metropolitan responsibilities is a good idea, but it’s not the world we live in.

By: Martin Hoscik

Martin Hoscik — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:41:23 +0000

Chris, I have to disagree. What politicised the role of Met commisioner was the decision of Sir Ian to comment on political issues and prop up the Government whenever a bit of police backing could be useful.

But in any case, a properly scrutinused Mayoral appointment would only benefit London and Londoners.

Why should we have the head of our police chosen by the MP for Redditch over who we have no control and who is no way accountable to Londoner rather than by the directly elected Mayor of London?

aristeides, yes and no but surely a willingess to reconsider isn’t a bad thing? I’ve always thought the Mayor should appoint the commissioner but I disagreed with the notion of using the election as a vote of no confidence in Sir Ian Blair and “running around…promising to get rid of him”.

I still don’t think that would have the way to do it. But thing have moved on since I made the comment you linked to (Jan 2007?) and Sir Ian has been a growing distraction for the force. Something had to change.

Damian, I think removing the national role from the bobby on the beat is essential and long overdue. I’d rather have the Mayor, scrutinused by MPA and Assembly appoint the head of my local police force than an MP fron Redditch. The problem is, as I think we agree, with Labour’s poor undertanding of devolution.